tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572101583842891639.post4018215055558419924..comments2022-12-13T06:17:39.312-07:00Comments on All things typify of Jesus Christ: A Future Seer: Unfulfilled ProphecyTysonHunthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01235363101451249100noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572101583842891639.post-25565054443543053552014-03-25T21:39:01.945-06:002014-03-25T21:39:01.945-06:00When the Lord comes in the latter days it will be ...When the Lord comes in the latter days it will be in the clouds of heaven not as a man walking on the earth, or he will descend "from the presence of God". These verses seem clear. This does not mean he cannot do "work" as he did with the two disciples on the road to Emmaus when he withheld his glory. And yes there is much to what you said in your comment but that is a separate topic. I see the question as will he, not can he.<br /><br />The Joseph Smith Papers: Revelations and Translations, Vol. 2<br />1830 Book of Commandments<br /><br />"look not for a Messiah to come which has already come." (Ch 16, vs 27.)<br />"they shall see me in the clouds of heaven, clothed with power and great glory, with all the holy angels." (Chapter 48, verse 37.)<br />"the Son of Man cometh not in the form of a woman, neither of a man travelling on the earth." (Chapter 52, verse 21.)<br />"were separated from the earth, and were reserved unto [God], a city reserved until a day of righteouensss shall come, a day which was sought for by all holy men, and they found it not because of wickedness and abominations." (Chapter 48, verse 14.) <br />"it shall be called the New Jerusalem, a land of peace, a city of refuge, a place of safety for the saints of the most high God. And the glory of the Lord shall be there, and the terror of the Lord also shall be there, insomuch that the wicked will not come unto it: And it shall be called Zion." (Chapter 48, verses 59-61.)<br />"I the Lord ...will come down in heaven from the presence of God, and consume the wicked with unquenchable fire." (Chapter 64, verse 36.)<br /><br />Here are two alternate sources that are similar.<br />http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/book-of-commandments-1833<br />http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/revelation-circa-summer-1829-dc-19?p=3<br /><br />I have a hard copy of the 1830. Seems pretty clear to me.TysonHunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01235363101451249100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572101583842891639.post-4709151311562747942014-03-25T13:51:07.333-06:002014-03-25T13:51:07.333-06:00Great scriptures. I will definitely ponder on this...Great scriptures. I will definitely ponder on this. let me clarify my original thought. I am going to try to track down Josephs quote in the joseph smith papers and post it when i find it.<br /><br />When i said he would not come in the flesh, i meant being born INTO the flesh. (as he did with mary). But i do believe he will do this last work (second time) himself. For HE will "hasten his work in his time", He is the mighty and strong one that will set the house in order.<br /><br />3 Nephi 24<br /><br />1 And it came to pass that he commanded them that they should write the words which the Father had given unto Malachi, which he should tell unto them. And it came to pass that after they were written he expounded them. And these are the words which he did tell unto them, saying: Thus said the Father unto Malachi—Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me, and THE LORD WHOM YE SEEK SHALL SUDDENLY COME TO HIS TEMPLE, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in; behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of Hosts.<br /><br />I believe it is in reference to US. When we purify our temples, he will appear unto us (come to His temple), and he will minister to US personally. This needs to occur before the entire "hosts" of heaven come down or they will burn us up. The messenger comes first (servant) than the Lord will manifest himself unto YOU.<br /><br />This is shown in the oath and the covenant.<br /><br />D&C 84:47 And every one that hearkeneth to the voice of the Spirit COMETH UNTO GOD, even the Father.<br /><br /> 48 And the Father TEACHETH HIM of THE COVENANT which he has renewed and confirmed upon you, which is confirmed upon you for your sakes, and not for your sakes only, but for the sake of the whole TysonHunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01235363101451249100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572101583842891639.post-24158114379505395352014-03-24T22:01:16.706-06:002014-03-24T22:01:16.706-06:00Tyson,
Don't cast the seed out because of unb...Tyson,<br /><br />Don't cast the seed out because of unbelief. If you can have no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you, even until ye believe in a manner that you can give place for a portion of my words.<br /><br />If the seed is good it'll bear fruit. The spirit will open your mind and heart to other scriptures and reveal the truth to you.<br /><br />Some mysteries can only be known by great sacrifice. Here are a few other scriptures to ponder and pray about. <br /><br /><br /><br />Moses 7<br /><br />58 And again Enoch wept and cried unto the Lord, saying: When shall the earth rest?<br /><br />59 And Enoch beheld the Son of Man ascend up unto the Father; and he called unto the Lord, saying: Wilt thou not come again upon the earth? Forasmuch as thou art God, and I know thee, and thou hast sworn unto me, and commanded me that I should ask in the name of thine Only Begotten; thou hast made me, and given unto me a right to thy throne, and not of myself, but through thine own grace; wherefore, I ask thee if thou wilt not come again on the earth<br /><br />60 And the Lord said unto Enoch: As I LIVE, EVEN SO WILL I COME IN THE LAST DAYS, in the days of wickedness and vengeance, to fulfil the oath which I have made unto you concerning the children of Noah;<br /><br /><br /><br />Christ will come to his temple (his body!)<br /><br />John 2<br /> <br />19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.<br />20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?<br />21 But he spake of the temple of his body.<br /><br /><br />3 Nephi 24<br /> <br />1 And it came to pass that he commanded them that they should write the words which the Father had given unto Malachi, which he should tell unto them. And it came to pass that after they were written he expounded them. And these are the words which he did tell unto them, saying: Thus said the Father unto Malachi—Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me, and THE LORD WHOM YE SEEK SHALL SUDDENLY COME TO HIS TEMPLE, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in; behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of Hosts.<br /><br /><br /><br />First he will be a stumbling block to the Jews. The Second time he comes he will be the only foundation upon which they can build.<br /> <br />Jacob 4<br />15 And now I, Jacob, am led on by the Spirit unto prophesying; for I perceive by the workings of the Spirit which is in me, that by the stumbling of the Jews they will reject the stone upon which they might build and have safe foundation.<br /> <br />16 But behold, according to the scriptures, this stone shall become the great, and the last, and the only sure foundation, upon which the Jews can build.<br /><br /><br />Christ will be in our midst<br /><br />2 Nephi 22 <br />6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion; for GREAT IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL IN THE MIDST OF THEE.<br /><br />3 Nephi 20<br />22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem. And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I WILL BE IN THE MIDST OF YOU.<br /><br />3 Nephi 21<br />25 And then shall the power of heaven come down among them; and I ALSO WILL BE IN THE MIDST.<br /><br /><br />1 Nephi 13<br /><br />42 And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.<br /><br />How did Christ manifest himself to the Jews? Wasn't it in the form of a man? He will "manifest" himself in the same way to the Gentiles.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244824015861541082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572101583842891639.post-86885140868003559022014-03-23T18:17:23.498-06:002014-03-23T18:17:23.498-06:00You had given me much to ponder. I do not believe ...You had given me much to ponder. I do not believe Christ will come again in the flesh. Joseph Smith seemed to denounce this idea in the Joseph Smith papers. <br /><br />Moroni says:<br /><br />He said that that prophet was Christ; but the day had not yet come when “they who would not hear his voice should be cut off from among the people,” but soon would come.<br /><br />The Prophet had come, but the day when they would not hear his voice had not yet come. The voice can come through his servants, in this case this future servant which is a type of Christ. That doesn't mean Christ is coming again as a prophet. What it does mean is that Christ's voice will be heard again. And in that final voicing by Christ, those who do not have the ears to hear it will be cut off.<br />TysonHunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01235363101451249100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572101583842891639.post-14009354190732064122014-03-15T16:47:38.115-06:002014-03-15T16:47:38.115-06:002 Nephi chapter 3 is all about the Servant, and ju...2 Nephi chapter 3 is all about the Servant, and just the Servant. Joseph Smith was only a type of the Great and Marvelous work. The Great and Marvelous work is the work that the Lord would do himself when he sets his hand the second time.<br /><br /><br />So who is the Servant?<br /><br /><br />When Moroni came to Joseph Smith he clearly identifies the Servant. But first lets review the scriptures in Acts mentioned by Moroni.<br /><br />Acts 3<br />22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.<br /><br />23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.<br /><br />Now Moroni identifies the Servant<br /><br />JSH<br />40 In addition to these, he quoted the eleventh chapter of Isaiah, saying that it was about to be fulfilled. He quoted also the third chapter of Acts, twenty-second and twenty-third verses, precisely as they stand in our New Testament. HE SAID THAT THAT PROPHET WAS CHRIST ; BUT THE DAY HAD NOT YET COME when “they who would not hear his voice should be cut off from among the people,” BUT SOON WOULD COME.<br /><br /><br />Notice in the time of Joseph the day had not yet come for this prophet LIKE UNTO MOSES.<br /><br />So back to 2 Nephi chapter 3<br /><br /><br />9 And HE SHALL BE LIKE UNTO MOSES, whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel.<br /><br /><br /><br />Nephi identifies the Servant like unto Moses<br /><br />1 Nephi 22<br />20 And the Lord will surely prepare a way for his people, unto the fulfilling of the words of Moses, which he spake, saying: A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass that all those who will not hear that prophet shall be cut off from among the people.<br /><br />21 And now I, Nephi, declare unto you, that THIS PROPHET WHOM MOSES SPAKE WAS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; wherefore, he shall execute judgment in righteousness.<br /><br /><br />Jesus identifies himself as the one like unto Moses.<br /><br />3 Nephi<br />22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem. And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I WILL BE IN THE MIDST OF YOU.<br /><br />23 Behold, I AM HE OF WHOM MOSES SPAKE, saying: A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that prophet shall be cut off from among the people.<br /><br /><br /><br />Notice that Jesus is talking about the Servant and his ministry amongst the Gentiles, not the Jews. This is an end time context. Again this is NOT Joseph Smith<br /><br />3 Nephi 21<br />10 But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.<br /><br />11 Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant.<br /><br />Again referring to a day to come:<br /><br />D&C 1<br /><br />14 And THE ARM OF THE LORD SHALL BE REVEALED; and the day cometh that they who will not hear THE VOICE OF THE LORD, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people;<br /><br /><br />D&C 133<br />63 And upon them that hearken not to THE VOICE OF THE LORD shall be fulfilled that which was written by the prophet Moses, that they should be cut off from among the people<br /><br /><br />Yes, the Book of Mormon is written to the Gentiles and it's filled with types of the Great and Marvelous work that will take place in our day.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244824015861541082noreply@blogger.com